So you can activate obeka in the cleanup step. 2020-11-10. It might be allowed in the rules, but it seems like a dick move tbh, My playgroup plays with combos like this. Wouldn't underworld breach exile at the end step of the next player: "At the beginning of the end step, sacrifice Underworld Breach." Which is why "the next end step" works, because when your opponent ends their turn its technically the turn after the "next end of turn" and doesn't trigger. 2) If there are any attacking and blocking creatures, they're removed from combat. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. 719.1d; see also C.R. If you expect to have multiple opponents, Goad is a very strong effect, Karazikar, the Eye Tyrant is potentially pretty solid, lots of card draw. "At the beginning of the next end step" is now used when something needs to trigger after the second main phase. Potentially showing that Wizards intended the terms to be interchangeable, at least on older cards. This will allow you to delay the trigger by a turn. Types: Legendary Creature Ogre Wizard. Necromantic Selection not only clears the field, it also gives you back the best thing, this is extra juicy if you use some sort of Indestructible creature(s) that won't die. So effects with at, whenever, and when are triggered abilities that go on the stack and can be exiled from the stack by the effect of [[obeka]] and [[sundial of the infinite]]. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. If you're going to run Oriq Loremage, you might slip in a huge creature to Unearth, something like Dragon Tyrant can be huge and not break the bank, Double Strike and Firebreathing are really good together, and you won't have to pay the upkeep with Unearth, he's dead before that matters. Before you even reach the "I am demonstrating a loop" statement you're attempting to repeat the board state already, or your loop hasn't resolved a single "NO" response yet. Commander Legends Foil: Obeka, Brute Chronologist Edition: Commander Legends: Type: Legendary Creature - Ogre Wizard: Cast: Rarity: R: Pow/Tuf: 3/4 . By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Also "in turn order" doesn't necessarily mean "starting with the active player". Card Kingdom $624 - 564. Flip (for another land, maybe a better rock, there is Thought Vessel, but fixing is sweet in Grixis). (Exile all spells and abilities from the stack. It is strictly against the rules. This sequence may be a non-repetitive series of choices, a loop that repeats a specified number of times, multiple loops, or nested loops, and may even cross multiple turns. It doesn't work at all. If Obeka's ability is used to end the turn on the turn when nabber's effect ends does obeka's controller keep control of the artifact, or does it go back to the original controller? In this deck tech I've tried a taste of all three.Pat. Revolving around reoccurring powerful, expensive creatures from the graveyard via cheap spells, there have been a lot of iterations of this concept. Obeka, Brute Chronologist can be used during opponents turns, but it is a may ability. Card Kingdom Price From $0.22. Basically, it exiles anything on the stack, you can end your turn and ignore whatever it is, usually just saying no to poopy effects. hey guys just rule checking . You can't use Obeka (or Sundial of the Infinite) to keep "until end of turn" or "this turn" effects running after the current turn is over. If someone did this to me in a game, I'd just say no x infinity so at most itd result in a draw. From what I understand, end step effects go on the stack and can be canceled by ending the turn with Obeka, but until end of turn effects do not go on the stack and happen with the cleanup step, therefore they cannot be interacted with. /*# sourceMappingURL=https://www.redditstatic.com/desktop2x/chunkCSS/TopicLinksContainer.3b33fc17a17cec1345d4_.css.map*/[[cardname]] or [[cardname|SET]] to call. Because otherwise it would trigger again on the combat phase of the next player, wouldn't it? Spectacular Showdown is a great card if you've actually got a board of your own to finish people off, keep in mind that on your next turn, you not only won't have been attacked by any pre-existing creature, everyone else will have swung for the fences with Double Strike, and they will likely have nothing left to defend with, making your Double Strikers very effective. Sundial of the infinite has been one of my favorite cards for awhile because of the weird rules associated with ending the turn prematurely. Does ending the turn at end of combat delay the Final Fortune trigger until my next turn's end step, or does ending the turn with Obeka during combat immediately put any and all end of turn triggers on the stack and I need to find another way to end the turn before those resolve and I lose the game? Because the trigger for the token destruction is for combat steps only after the original creature (or copies) attacked. The player whose turn it is discards down to their maximum hand size. If I put a +1/+1 counter on a creature that has a -1/- Can i exile my commander from the graveyard into the Press J to jump to the feed. 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If that happens, the active player (or, if the active player is not involved in the loop, the first player in turn order who is involved) must then make a different game choice so the loop does not continue. EDH decks and themes I'm currently playing! 1x Command Tower. Wouldn't this trigger at every end step? The player whose turn it is discards down to their maximum hand size. They decline to end the turn. Visions of Duplicity can create some chaos with it's two casts, Cultural Exchange is obscene if someone else has better creatures. This was a great tutorial and explanation of the deck, and well worth the upvote! ._2a172ppKObqWfRHr8eWBKV{-ms-flex-negative:0;flex-shrink:0;margin-right:8px}._39-woRduNuowN7G4JTW4I8{margin-top:12px}._136QdRzXkGKNtSQ-h1fUru{display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex;margin:8px 0;width:100%}.r51dfG6q3N-4exmkjHQg_{font-size:10px;font-weight:700;letter-spacing:.5px;line-height:12px;text-transform:uppercase;-ms-flex-pack:justify;justify-content:space-between;-ms-flex-align:center;align-items:center}.r51dfG6q3N-4exmkjHQg_,._2BnLYNBALzjH6p_ollJ-RF{display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex}._2BnLYNBALzjH6p_ollJ-RF{margin-left:auto}._1-25VxiIsZFVU88qFh-T8p{padding:0}._2nxyf8XcTi2UZsUInEAcPs._2nxyf8XcTi2UZsUInEAcPs{color:var(--newCommunityTheme-widgetColors-sidebarWidgetTextColor)} by DavidBray, Obeka, Temporal Mistress This will allow you to delay the trigger by a turn. There is also Sudden Spoiling, which is powerful but lasts for that turn, or Polymorphist's Jest, which is similarly a 1 turn solution. 513.1a].) Feeds | This doesnt work the way you want it to. 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The only stipulated way in the rules (for the given scenario) to force your opponent to take an action they don't want to take is via 722.3. https://blogs.magicjudges.org/rules/mtr4-4/, https://mobile.twitter.com/WotC_Matt/status/1365372480412471296. Switch . Privacy statement | Obeka, Brute Chronologist. 719.2e), so that the delayed triggered ability will wait until the next end step whenever that is, even if that's another player's end step (C.R. by Maelk. Just wanted to say that this is a such a brilliant answer - you sound like an academic. 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(Exile all spells and abilities from the stack. The ending point of this sequence must be a place where a player has priority, though it need not be the player proposing the shortcut. Playtest v1. ._3Z6MIaeww5ZxzFqWHAEUxa{margin-top:8px}._3Z6MIaeww5ZxzFqWHAEUxa ._3EpRuHW1VpLFcj-lugsvP_{color:inherit}._3Z6MIaeww5ZxzFqWHAEUxa svg._31U86fGhtxsxdGmOUf3KOM{color:inherit;fill:inherit;padding-right:8px}._3Z6MIaeww5ZxzFqWHAEUxa ._2mk9m3mkUAeEGtGQLNCVsJ{font-family:Noto Sans,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-weight:400;line-height:18px;color:inherit} Hello been a while since i've posted here but had a question, an issue came up in an edh game regarding the interaction between Obeka, Brute Chronologist and Treasure Nabber. Priority passes to you. Doesn't work at all. "102.1. Articles and comments are user-submitted and do not represent official endorsements of this site. But remember, the latest wording of a card is always given in its Oracle text (C.R. Then I talk about the interaction with extra turn cards in the "Extra turns" section. Say you could build a deck around just Goatnapper-ing someone else's commander and now swinging back at them? I'm not a judge but I'm like 99% sure this doesn't work. Ashes to Ashes and Reckless Spite also exist fwiw, and if you aren't certain you'll have creatures out, Tergrid's Shadow can do a bit of work, as can Plaguecrafter or Demon's Disciple, cards Sedris can recur for 2B even. TappedOut.js Blog Widget. 1x Canyon Slough. 'end step' effect: Hate Mirage. I love commander a lot, but man the prices get me down. On my opponent's upkeep I activate Obeka. In order for it to be considered a shortcut loop you must propose all actions involved including your opponents. Rulings. "If any triggered abilities do trigger during this process, theyre put onto the stack during the cleanup step. Card Number: 289. 603.7b, 614.10a). Sets Obeka, Brute Chronologist has been printed in: Commander Legends Commander Legends Magic Online Promos. In the future, you can take care of this yourself using the "Mark as Answer" button on the response that you feel best answers your question. -. Using Obeka to end the turn with the "until end of turn" triggers on the stack does stop those triggers during the first cleanup step but do those triggers still trigger again at the next cleanup step that follows? Obeka, Brute Chronologist As Commander As Card Average Deck Decks Combos Obeka, Brute Chronologist (Card) $0.35 $0.25 0.29 TIX In 3180 decks 1% of 232421 decks Navigation Aetherhub Archidekt Deckstats Gatherer Moxfield MTGGoldfish MTGStocks Scryfall Average Type Distribution So if you act of treason something and skip your end step, you do get to keep it, but at the end of your next opponents turn the effect triggers again since it's unresolved and open/active. <i>(Exile all spells and abilities from the stack. The active player, you, must choose a different action. You might also run stuff like Thran Dynamo or Worn Powerstone to help you hit higher MVs sooner, ramping by only 1 mana feels bad compared to hitting a land drop most of the time, there is also Gilded Lotus, but hitting 5 mana can be rough. NM; EX; VG; G; 2 available @ $0.79 . I may have to put it together and try it out. He occupies a happy place in my Obeka, Brute Chronologist deck. It would be the active player not the one who started the loop. obeka, brute chronologist interaction Asked by The_Overlord_666 1 year ago. TCGPlayer Mkt $565 - 472. 603.1, 603.3). There are two effects to look out for here. by Mimicvat 2 years ago, Post Mana Cost: Converted Mana Cost: 4. Also, I think loops generally have to do something for a judge to not consider them stalling, and I don't think making my opponent say "no" counts as doing something. But it is discards down to their maximum hand size some chaos with it 's two casts Cultural... 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